Curse

lightblade · Feb 28, 2007, 09:07 PM // 21:07

Looks is just a matter of OPINION.

I'm just disappointed to see all 3 daggers have the same stats.

Toilet Oni · Feb 28, 2007, 09:15 PM // 21:15

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Originally Posted by wsmcasey

Ranger weapons:
I wanted a cool looking bow to add to my rangers growing collection, unfortunately the end game greens only offered 2 skins. skin 1 looks just like an Ivory bow, and skin 2 looks just like a Rotwing recurve bow. so I didnt get either.

My eyes poped out when i saw the Forgotten Longbow i got for my ranger

sold it an hour later for 50k too a guy who was spamming in kc

Urgoz Longbow is still FTW

Shakkara · Feb 28, 2007, 09:38 PM // 21:38

I already got everything I want on my main, and I'm very happy with the items and bought several books so I could distribute the items amongst my henchmen and secondary characters.

Sofonisba · Feb 28, 2007, 09:39 PM // 21:39

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Originally Posted by wsmcasey

Not good enough if I already got better in Prophecies and Factions.

Then you should be happy.

Anything better, and you'd have the PvP people screaming, right?

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If you have time to beat the game, then you also have time to farm a boss over and over...

I'm not sure where you get this idea.

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Dont make me suffer just because you havent played as long as I have. I'm not bashing you or referring to you personally, I'm just replying to you statements.

I know you're not bashing me personally. I also have all 3 campaigns and have been playing since May 2005, have everything I need and more. For some reason I'm still happy with the endgame NF items.

But seriously, "suffer?" LOL.

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Also make it so you could get a custom green of your choice so it has the skin w/stats that you want.

I would definitely sign onto that ^^ idea.

Ensign · Feb 28, 2007, 09:59 PM // 21:59

Designing green weapons is more complicated than you give it credit for. The OP complains than the endgame green focus offered isn't as good as his Kindlerock - well, guess what, a significant majority of the playerbase would disagree with you. The endgame green items, for the most part, offer the stats on weapons that are some of the most popular. They could offer less popular mods on the weapons there, but guess what? That would lead to even more complaints than they're getting now. Because Guild Wars offers an assortment of reasonably balanced equipment choices for you to choose between, instead of having a very clear gear progression, even the endgame items, with 'perfect' stats, aren't going to be perfect to some percentage of players.

I think there's a constant conflict of interest when making green items, between designing weapons that are more of the same, and designing weapons that are unique. They have made 'unique' greens before, without the health mods, and the price check forum will tell you what people think of those. If you're someone that actually wants those weird mods, great, there's a bargain waiting for you - but for the people who find those weapons, seeing a list of unpopular mods cheapens the reward significantly.

Peace,
-CxE

Ruricu · Feb 28, 2007, 10:06 PM // 22:06

Looks like Ensign said it all... three times.

wsmcasey · Feb 28, 2007, 11:12 PM // 23:12

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Originally Posted by Ensign

The OP complains than the endgame green focus offered isn't as good as his Kindlerock - well, guess what, a significant majority of the playerbase would disagree with you.

I was comparing the end game green staff with the ragos fire wand/kindlerock combo. Actually, since the release of Sorrows Furnace I would say they have been very popular items. Exactly how would a significant majority of the playerbase disagree with me? The newbies might need the +30hp mod to stay alive, but faster cast/faster recharge is the way to go imo.

{BHC}KingWarman88 · Feb 28, 2007, 11:15 PM // 23:15

Hey,

Ragos Fire Wand is bad..

Sir Skullcrasher · Feb 28, 2007, 11:19 PM // 23:19

It's a free green item for us to have. Why do we have to complain about it?

wsmcasey · Feb 28, 2007, 11:29 PM // 23:29

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Originally Posted by Sir Skullcrasher

It's a free green item for us to have. Why do we have to complain about it?

I don't know really, I guess I just felt disappointed at my choices after beating the game.

To the other guy saying that Ragos is bad, thats your opinion, but if you having nothing to contribute to the thread then please dont.

Ill just try and farm a boss that has a better staff that I can use I guess.

Ensign · Feb 28, 2007, 11:43 PM // 23:43

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Originally Posted by wsmcasey

I was comparing the end game green staff with the ragos fire wand/kindlerock combo. Actually, since the release of Sorrows Furnace I would say they have been very popular items. Exactly how would a significant majority of the playerbase disagree with me? The newbies might need the +30hp mod to stay alive, but faster cast/faster recharge is the way to go imo.

Yes, more defense is for newbies.

20/20 wands and foci make terrible green items, because they are easy crafts in every chapter. There really isn't too much room for creativity on wands/foci, because there aren't all that many mods to begin with, and so many common combinations are put on crafter/collector items.

If what you really want is cast and recharge mods, there's not a staff in existance that can beat the crafted 20/20s. Not a set of greens or rares, either.

Peace,
-CxE

Feminist Terrorist · Feb 28, 2007, 11:46 PM // 23:46

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Originally Posted by wsmcasey

faster cast/faster recharge is the way to go imo.

Most definitely. That's what I look for in caster weapons, and have been very disappointed with NF weapons in general. I'm glad I have the option of picking up the items I want in Tyria or even in Cantha. Options ftw.

T N Player · Mar 01, 2007, 12:14 AM // 00:14

I sold my 4 books that I got. You really don't get any good items with it and if you try to get an items and sell it for higher price then the books, it takes a few hours to sell. That's why the price are dropping so fast. I saw a Hand of the Forgotten for 20k a few days ago.

Neo Nugget · Mar 01, 2007, 12:25 AM // 00:25

i love all of the endgame greens compared to the factions ones. Too bad factions is more enjoyable to me to play through

but when i beat it i got sword of the forgotten and sold it for 40k and got the rest of my necros 15k sunspear

well worth it

Cherno · Mar 01, 2007, 03:45 AM // 03:45

I much prefer the nightfall endgame greens to factions. The staves are very nice, although why isn't there an energy storage req one??

I still don't like that all caster items get the same skins.

icedragon981 · Mar 01, 2007, 03:53 AM // 03:53

I got the +5e spear for my Paragon and the Ungues of the Forgotten for my Assassin (this was before I deleted all of my PvE characters except my Necro) because, IMO, those were the only attractive and useful ones. (Honestly, why must EVERY end game warrior green be sundering...)

Enko · Mar 01, 2007, 03:59 AM // 03:59

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Originally Posted by wsmcasey

thats your opinion, but if you having nothing to contribute to the thread then please dont.

Couldn't you have said that to yourself before making this thread?

Its your opinion that the end game greens weren't up to your expectations but there's plenty of other people who are fine with them.

-Loki- · Mar 01, 2007, 04:36 AM // 04:36

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Originally Posted by wsmcasey

Warrior weapons:
I was looking for a better sword skin to replace my factions sword, it didnt look like anything more than a shadow blade with curves in it, so I didnt get it.

The Forgotten Sword looks immensely different, and better, that Shadow Blades. The only problem is it's sundering.

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Originally Posted by wsmcasey

Ranger weapons:
I wanted a cool looking bow to add to my rangers growing collection, unfortunately the end game greens only offered 2 skins. skin 1 looks just like an Ivory bow, and skin 2 looks just like a Rotwing recurve bow. so I didnt get either.

Agreed. I was very disappointed in the Ranger offerings. Ivory Bows and re-skinned Rotwing bows, with stats that don't much suit the bow type.

arcanemacabre · Mar 01, 2007, 05:03 AM // 05:03

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Originally Posted by -Loki-

The Forgotten Sword looks immensely different, and better, that Shadow Blades. The only problem is it's sundering.

Agreed. I was going to say this if no one else was. Honestly, how does the Forgotten Sword look anywhere near like a Shadow Blade? I mean WTF? I, personally love the Forgotten Sword, as far as looks go, I would never use it. I feel the same about Victo's Axe, actually.

There are plenty of choices in the endgame, and if none strike your fancy, then do what you did, sell the book. Or you can get the most wanted green (like Hand of the Forgotten), like I did, sell it for a lot more than the book is worth, and buy a green of your choice from someone.

I do hope that in the next campaign, we can either make our own green, or have a contest for the top guilds to design greens (stat-wise). This way we can hopefully get something aside from sundering swords and +5 energy ele wands.

HawkofStorms · Mar 01, 2007, 05:17 AM // 05:17

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Originally Posted by wsmcasey

Not good enough if I already got better in Prophecies and Factions.

This game isn't about having the best uber equipement. Greens are there to be useful. No weapon is meant to be "better."